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YouthLibNow at 20:36, 14 October 2026

2026-10-14T20:36:50Z

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	* We often barge into a child's room without knocking (even though they asked otherwise and there's no safety issue). Why is that normalised?		* We often barge into a child's room without knocking (even though they asked otherwise and there's no safety issue). Why is that normalised?
			* Parental control software, which would often be considered spyware if used without permission for adults, is frequently used to both control children's digital activities and invade their digital privacy. Why do we find that acceptable?

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	==== At school ====		==== At school ====
			* Schools can freely divulge anything about the child and what they say and do at school to parents. This may at times incite parents to punish their child, moving this task away from teachers to a less restricted authority. Why is that?

	==== By businesses ====		==== By businesses ====

Luhanopi: ref mistakes

2026-09-11T16:28:48Z

ref mistakes

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	* We often use [[manipulative language]] to communicate ''to'' or ''about'' children. Why is that normalised?		* We often use [[manipulative language]] to communicate ''to'' or ''about'' children. Why is that normalised?
	* We often call youth manipulative. Yet, adults are often more manipulative. Why is that normalised?		* We often call youth manipulative. Yet, adults are often more manipulative. Why is that normalised?
	* We often use ad hominem<ref name=wp-ad-hominem">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]]</ref> or thought terminating cliches<ref name=wp-ttc">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Though_terminating_cliche]]</ref>, or tone police<ref name=wp-ytone-police">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing]]</ref> to avoid discussion with kids. Why is that okay?		* We often use ad hominem<ref name=wp-ad-hominem">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem</ref> or thought terminating cliches<ref name=wp-ttc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Though_terminating_cliche</ref>, or tone police<ref name=wp-ytone-police">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing</ref> to avoid discussion with kids. Why is that okay?
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	==== By government ====		==== By government ====

Luhanopi: ref errors

2026-09-11T16:28:11Z

ref errors

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	* We often use [[manipulative language]] to communicate ''to'' or ''about'' children. Why is that normalised?		* We often use [[manipulative language]] to communicate ''to'' or ''about'' children. Why is that normalised?
	* We often call youth manipulative. Yet, adults are often more manipulative. Why is that normalised?		* We often call youth manipulative. Yet, adults are often more manipulative. Why is that normalised?
	* We often use ad hominem<ref name=wp-ad-hominem">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]]</ref> or thought terminating cliches<ref name=wp-ttc">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Though_terminating_cliche]]</ref>, or tone police<ref name=wp-~~ttc~~">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing]]</ref> to avoid discussion with kids. Why is that okay?		* We often use ad hominem<ref name=wp-ad-hominem">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]]</ref> or thought terminating cliches<ref name=wp-ttc">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Though_terminating_cliche]]</ref>, or tone police<ref name=wp-ytone-police">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing]]</ref> to avoid discussion with kids. Why is that okay?
	==== At home ====		==== At home ====
	==== By government ====		==== By government ====

Luhanopi: moved, expanded trust, manipulativ language

2026-09-11T16:27:35Z

moved, expanded trust, manipulativ language

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	We believe that everybody deserves certain rights no matter ''who'' they are or ''what'' they do. Why does this standard seem not to apply to young people? Why aren't these people's rights respected? Why do we, as a society, find it okay to treat young people as less-than-humans or yet-to-be-humans? We do we often justify treating them in a way no adult ought to be treated?		We believe that everybody deserves certain rights no matter ''who'' they are or ''what'' they do. Why does this standard seem not to apply to young people? Why aren't these people's rights respected? Why do we, as a society, find it okay to treat young people as less-than-humans or yet-to-be-humans? We do we often justify treating them in a way no adult ought to be treated?

	== Dignity ==		== Dignity == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	We believe everybody has an inherit worth and deserve to be valued and respected<ref name="wp-dignity">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity</ref>. We believe young people should not be degraded, dehumanized, instrumentalized, objectified, or humiliated. Unfortunately not everyone agrees with us...		We believe everybody has an inherit worth and deserve to be valued and respected<ref name="wp-dignity">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity</ref>. We believe young people should not be degraded, dehumanized, instrumentalized, objectified, or humiliated. Unfortunately not everyone agrees with us...

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	* Businesses often deny non-dangerous services to young people, because to them it appears they will disturb the business or others, sometimes even on false assumptions (in situations where presence of youths could benefit the business).		* Businesses often deny non-dangerous services to young people, because to them it appears they will disturb the business or others, sometimes even on false assumptions (in situations where presence of youths could benefit the business).

	== Safety ==		== Safety == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	We believe that everyone deserves to feel safe. To be more precise, we believe that a person has a right not to be placed in an unsafe situation and to leave one, to the extent possible.		We believe that everyone deserves to feel safe. To be more precise, we believe that a person has a right not to be placed in an unsafe situation and to leave one, to the extent possible.

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	== ~~Trust~~ ==		== Agency == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
	* Claims made by young people are believed less than these made my adults because young people are "manipulative" (even though adults are likely to be more manipulative{{cn}}). When an adult makes a claim, a good-faith attempt at verifying it is often made. When a minor makes such a claim, such attempt isn't made. Why is that?
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			==== By government ====
			==== At school ====
			* Students are often micromanaged by schools. Why do we find it acceptable?

			=== By businesses ===

			== Peace == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
			=== Violations ===
			==== General ====
			==== At home ====
			* We expect children to act with unnecessary urgency for no apparent reason. Why is that acceptable?

	==== By government ====		==== By government ====
	==== At school ====		==== At school ====
	==== By businesses ====		==== By businesses ====

	== ~~Agency~~ ==		== Justice == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
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	* Students are often micromanaged by schools. Why do we find it acceptable?		==== By businesses ====

	=== By businesses ===

	== ~~Peace~~ ==		== Fairness == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
	==== At home ====		==== At home ====
	* We expect children to act with unnecessary urgency for no apparent reason. Why is that acceptable?

	==== By government ====		==== By government ====
	==== At school ====		==== At school ====
	==== By businesses ====		==== By businesses ====

	== ~~Justice~~ ==		== Information == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
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	== ~~Fairness~~ ==		== Trust == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
			* Claims made by young people are believed less than these made my adults because young people are "manipulative" (even though adults are likely to be more manipulative{{cn}}). When an adult makes a claim, a good-faith attempt at verifying it is often made. When a minor makes such a claim, such attempt isn't made. Why is that?
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	== ~~Information~~ ==		== Respect == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
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	== Privacy ==
			== Privacy == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
	* We photograph kids (who are old enough to understand the situation) and publish these photographs without them knowing and/or consenting and/or being able to object in situations where one wouldn't do that to an adult. We are also hesitant to remove them. Why is that acceptable?		* We photograph kids (who are old enough to understand the situation) and publish these photographs without them knowing and/or consenting and/or being able to object in situations where one wouldn't do that to an adult. We are also hesitant to remove them. Why is that acceptable?
	* We sometimes proactively search minors. Why is that acceptable?		* We sometimes proactively search minors. We don't do that to adults. Why is that acceptable?

	==== At home ====		==== At home ====
	* We often barge into a child's room without knocking (even though they asked otherwise and there's no safety issue)? Why is that normalised?		* We often barge into a child's room without knocking (even though they asked otherwise and there's no safety issue). Why is that normalised?

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	== Freedom of thought and expression ==		== Freedom of thought and expression == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
	* We often use [[manipulative language]] to communicate ''to'' or ''about'' children. Why is that normalised?		* We often use [[manipulative language]] to communicate ''to'' or ''about'' children. Why is that normalised?
	* We often call youth manipulative. Yet, adults are often more manipulative. Why is that normalised?		* We often call youth manipulative. Yet, adults are often more manipulative. Why is that normalised?
			* We often use ad hominem<ref name=wp-ad-hominem">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]]</ref> or thought terminating cliches<ref name=wp-ttc">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Though_terminating_cliche]]</ref>, or tone police<ref name=wp-ttc">[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing]]</ref> to avoid discussion with kids. Why is that okay?
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	== Growth ==		== Growth == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
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	== Enjoyment of rights ==		== Enjoyment of rights == <!-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -->
	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====

Luhanopi: /* At home */ Peace

2026-09-11T16:17:01Z

At home: Peace

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			* We expect children to act with unnecessary urgency for no apparent reason. Why is that acceptable?

	==== By government ====		==== By government ====
	==== At school ====		==== At school ====

Luhanopi: /* At home */ ==> Peace

2026-09-11T16:16:52Z

At home: ==> Peace

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	* We expect children to act with unnecessary urgency for no apparent reason. Why is that acceptable?
	==== By government ====		==== By government ====
	==== At school ====		==== At school ====

Luhanopi: /* Agency */ peace

2026-09-11T16:08:22Z

Agency: peace

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			== Peace ==
			=== Violations ===
			==== General ====
			==== At home ====
			==== By government ====
			==== At school ====
			==== By businesses ====

	== Justice ==		== Justice ==

Luhanopi: /* At home */ barge no knock

2026-09-11T16:07:24Z

At home: barge no knock

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			* We often barge into a child's room without knocking (even though they asked otherwise and there's no safety issue)? Why is that normalised?

	==== By government ====		==== By government ====
	==== At school ====		==== At school ====

Luhanopi: add trust

2026-09-11T16:02:28Z

add trust

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	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
	==== General ====		==== General ====
	* Claims made by young people are believed less than these made my adults because young people are "manipulative" (even though adults are likely to be more manipulative{{cn}}). When an adult makes a claim, a good-faith attempt at verifying it is often made. When a minor makes such a claim, such attempt isn't made. Why is that?
	* We use cruel and unusual punishment against children. Or when punishing them we don't follow basic [[due process]]. Why is that normalized?		* We use cruel and unusual punishment against children. Or when punishing them we don't follow basic [[due process]]. Why is that normalized?
	* Mental health issues of young people are not taken seriously. An adult who feels overwhelmed can often take a Friday off in one of the following weeks. If that isn't possible, they are usually not expected to do regular work on the weekends at all (and if they are they get other days off). And adults can usually expect to be told their work schedule for a few following weeks. It is also acceptable for them to try to pick up less tasks. When a student feels overwhelmed, however they cannot easily reduce their task load or try to get a day off.		* Mental health issues of young people are not taken seriously. An adult who feels overwhelmed can often take a Friday off in one of the following weeks. If that isn't possible, they are usually not expected to do regular work on the weekends at all (and if they are they get other days off). And adults can usually expect to be told their work schedule for a few following weeks. It is also acceptable for them to try to pick up less tasks. When a student feels overwhelmed, however they cannot easily reduce their task load or try to get a day off.
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	* A good faith attempt is often not made to resolve bullying? Why?		* A good faith attempt is often not made to resolve bullying? Why?
			==== By businesses ====

			== Trust ==
			=== Violations ===
			==== General ====
			* Claims made by young people are believed less than these made my adults because young people are "manipulative" (even though adults are likely to be more manipulative{{cn}}). When an adult makes a claim, a good-faith attempt at verifying it is often made. When a minor makes such a claim, such attempt isn't made. Why is that?
			==== At home ====
			==== By government ====
			==== At school ====
	==== By businesses ====		==== By businesses ====

Luhanopi: /* General */ photo ==> then publish (kudos to ashdredge@Discord for help with that bullet)

2026-09-11T15:58:18Z

General: photo ==> then publish (kudos to ashdredge@Discord for help with that bullet)

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	=== Violations ===		=== Violations ===
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	* We photograph kids (who are old enough to understand the situation) without them knowing and/or consenting and/or being able to object in situations where one wouldn't do that to an adult. We are also hesitant to remove them. Why is that acceptable?		* We photograph kids (who are old enough to understand the situation) and publish these photographs without them knowing and/or consenting and/or being able to object in situations where one wouldn't do that to an adult. We are also hesitant to remove them. Why is that acceptable?
	* We sometimes proactively search minors. Why is that acceptable?		* We sometimes proactively search minors. Why is that acceptable?